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Just Bought a BC346XT, having it programmed by retailer
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SamCntower
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« on: August 27, 2009, 07:38:47 PM »


First of all I want to thank Assaf for setting up this excellent site.
It takes a lot of time and effort to do all this.
So my friend, thank you for your valiant efforts.

I have had a Radio Shack portable 29Pro scanner for years .
It is a junior scanner that for me has done a good job, very easy to program.
Although it is not a great scanner it did cost me $300 some 15 years ago.
With this new scanner, a gift from my son I hope to really get into the action
since everyone in this Greater Toronto Area of 6 million people is on trunked systems.
Some even being on digital systems.

I have much to learn. Frankly I feel intimidated by all the information.
I hope to be able to back up what will be programmed into the scanner
by the retailer. Certainly hope I can do it myself .
Funny thing. The PC cable supplied by Uniden is not compatible with two new
computers I just bought. Seems like I will have to use an older computer that
will accept the connection.

I probably will need some help so I'm hoping that you experienced members can
provide some help when needed.

Sam
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 12:51:01 PM »

Welcome!

As you noted, you can use the supplied cable with an older computer that has a serial port.  You also have the option of buying a serial to USB adapter and using it with one of your newer computers.  Uniden makes a cable which has the adapter built-in as another option.  If you do go with either the adapter or the Uniden cable, be sure to install the driver before connecting the cable.

If you haven't already found it, RadioReference.com is an excellent resource for frequency and talkgroup information if you want to add to the systems already programmed into your scanner.  There are also forums and a wiki that contain a wealth of information to help you understand and enjoy your new scanner.

Let us know if you need any help.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 09:08:28 PM »

Hello Dick.

Thank you for your welcome and offer to help. I think I will need plenty. To be honest I found it sort of intimidating to program this thing.
Rarely am I intimidated but this time I am. So, I got the retailer to program it for me at a cost of $50.

If one is in the U.S.A. most units come programmed for the area but not so here in the Toronto area of Canada.
Anyway, they gave me a print out of the various agencies in this area that I asked for.
I now have
21 QUICK KEYS  and
61 GROUP KEYS
These cover the Greater Toronto Area emergency services, Plus 2 Toronto area airports.
The Ontario Provincial poh-leece is not included because it is digital or else I would be looking at several more Keys.

The programmer told me to use FreeScan to load into the computer what he programmed and burn it on a CD as a program backup.
I can't do it, so I'm hoping my son will do it for me. Any tips?

Meanwhile Dick, I'm trying to figure out how to make use of the printout he gave me.
Are you familiar with this scanner?

For example ;
QUICK KEY 4   is Toronto poh-leece Service , NORTH
It has 5 GROUP KEYS,  1,2,3,4,5,

Would you be able to run me through the steps so I could listen in to say GROUPS 1-5 ?
And only these groups, thus temporarily L/O everything else.
I'm afraid that by doing something I may "damage" the program that's in place.

I've printed out the Uniden operating controls and they sure are not the easiest to comprehend.
Unfortunately  MARKSSCANNERS.COM doesn't have the simplified instructions for this new unit.

Another question I have for you is, should this scanner be "program protected" in order to avoid
screwing it up? I read this somewhere in my travels on the net in case one were to give the unit to someone who may
screw up the program. Actually, I'm probably that person!!!
Then again if it is protected doesn't that mean the keypad is locked?

Do you know of any websites or even video that would be a learning tool? I mean no disrespect for your superior knowledge.

Dick, thank you for your help and understanding. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Sam


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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 03:19:27 PM »

To answer some of your questions Sam. The group quick keys are explained in page 119 of the manual, pretty much everything you need to know about turning things on and off is around that section.

System Protect - My advise is to not use this unless you really need to. It's a semi effective way to protect systems from being deleted/modified, but if you are the only one who uses your scanner you can probably forego this. Doesn't have anything to do with keypad lock.

If you have anymore questions then ask away.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 04:12:26 PM »

Hello Dick.

Thank you for your welcome and offer to help. I think I will need plenty. To be honest I found it sort of intimidating to program this thing.
Rarely am I intimidated but this time I am.

That's a pretty normal reaction so don't feel like you're the only one.  There's an awful lot to learn so just take it a bit at a time and it will allow you to enjoy the scanner and the learning process as well.

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So, I got the retailer to program it for me at a cost of $50.

If one is in the U.S.A. most units come programmed for the area but not so here in the Toronto area of Canada.

Even in the U.S. most of us have had to reprogram our scanners to cover our local areas.  The preprogrammed stuff is meant to give people a starting point, but is seldom going to be the finished programming.  In fact, I think most of us consider programming to always be a work in progress.  I spent a number of hours last night revising the programming for my 396XT and will adapt that data for my 346XT when I get a chance.

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Anyway, they gave me a print out of the various agencies in this area that I asked for.
I now have
21 QUICK KEYS  and
61 GROUP KEYS
These cover the Greater Toronto Area emergency services, Plus 2 Toronto area airports.
The Ontario Provincial poh-leece is not included because it is digital or else I would be looking at several more Keys.

Here's something that I've posted elsewhere regarding the system and group quick keys which I think might be helpful.

System Quick Keys (SQKs) allow you activate and deactivate systems for scanning.  The single digit SQKs are toggled between active and
inactive by pressing the corresponding key on the keyboard.  The two digit SQKs are toggled between active and inactive by pressing the
./NO key followed by the two digits on the keyboard.

The display

S0:1234--7**0 indicates that SQKs 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, and 0 are active; SQKs 8 and 9 are inactive; and SQKs 5 and 6 are unassigned.

S1:12---678** indicates that SQKs 11, 12, 16, 17, and 18 are active; SQKs 19 and 10 are inactive; and SQKs13, 14, and 15 are unassigned.

Etc. to S9:12345678790

There can be more than one system assigned to a SQK.

Each system can have up to 10 Group Quick Keys (GQKs).  The indicator for the GQKs is the line below the SQK line and works the same way
except that it only has ten possible values and therefore is only single digits.

GQKs can be toggled active and inactive by pressing FUNC and the keyboard number while the scanner is scanning the particular system
which contains the groups that you are controlling.

Software programming isn't necessary to use SQKs and GQKs, but it can be used to set up the various SQKs and GQKs and to set the initial state of the SQKs and GQKs.

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The programmer told me to use FreeSCAN to load into the computer what he programmed and burn it on a CD as a program backup.
I can't do it, so I'm hoping my son will do it for me. Any tips?

It's too bad that they don't give you a CD with the data already on it.  It would only take them another few minutes to do that for you.  In any event, you'll want to get the scanner working with FreeScan anyway, so it's not too serious that they didn't do it.

If your computer has a serial port, you can use the cable that came with the scanner to connect it to your computer.  If you don't have a serial port, then you'll need either a serial to USB adapter or the Uniden USB-1 cable which has the adapter built into the cable.  If you use an adapter or the USB-1, be sure to install the drivers before connecting the cable to your computer.

Once you've got the appropriate cable connected, run FreeScan and set the Comm Port to match whatever port your cable is using at the computer.  If you don't know which port it is, FreeScan will search and find the port for you using its autodetection feature.  Once you've got the scanner and computer talking to each other, you can then download the data from the scanner to the computer.  It's then just a matter of saving that datafile to your hard drive and burning a copy to a CD as a backup if you want to do that.

You'll find that having the data in FreeScan lets you see the way it's organized and that makes understanding all of this much easier.  You can also make whatever changes you desire to the data and upload the new data to the scanner.  You may choose to add some additional agencies or frequencies or to rename some of them so that they are the way you want them.

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Meanwhile Dick, I'm trying to figure out how to make use of the printout he gave me.
Are you familiar with this scanner?

For example ;
QUICK KEY 4   is Toronto poh-leece Service , NORTH
It has 5 GROUP KEYS,  1,2,3,4,5,

Would you be able to run me through the steps so I could listen in to say GROUPS 1-5 ?
And only these groups, thus temporarily L/O everything else.
I'm afraid that by doing something I may "damage" the program that's in place.

While you're not too likely to "damage" the programming unless you go into the menu system, it is possible to do so.  I'd suggest the backup using FreeScan for peace of mind before you go much beyond the system and group quick keys.

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I've printed out the Uniden operating controls and they sure are not the easiest to comprehend.

Lots of agreement there.  I think that they could have done a better job of explaining things than they have.  It seems like all the information is in the materials somewhere, but it isn't easy to find at first.  Sort of like the kid that has trouble using the dictionary to find out how to spell a word because he has to know how to spell the word to use the dictionary.

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Unfortunately  MARKSSCANNERS.COM doesn't have the simplified instructions for this new unit.

No, but the simplified instructions for the 396T will be very similar for many of the functions and many people find them useful.

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Another question I have for you is, should this scanner be "program protected" in order to avoid
screwing it up? I read this somewhere in my travels on the net in case one were to give the unit to someone who may
screw up the program. Actually, I'm probably that person!!!
Then again if it is protected doesn't that mean the keypad is locked?

If you lock the keypad, that will only leave you the HOLD, BACKLIGHT, and SELECT-VOLUME-SQUELCH which is enough for listening once you've set the system and group quick keys the way that you want them, but it doesn't give you any flexibility until you again unlock it.

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Do you know of any websites or even video that would be a learning tool? I mean no disrespect for your superior knowledge.

I don't know if I'd say my knowledge was "superior", but in any case, no problem with wanting other sources as well.  RadioReference.com has a series of forums which I find very helpful.  The Uniden forum and the New User forum would be particularly helpful for the kinds of things you would likely want.  There is also an excellent wiki at that site which has a number of articles that I think you would find helpful.  Each person learns differently, so an explanation that works for one person may not work at all for another.

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Dick, thank you for your help and understanding. Your help is greatly appreciated.

You're very welcome.  This has gotten pretty long, but don't let that bother you.  Just take the various sections at whatever pace is comfortable for you and stop back with whatever additional questions you have.

Dick
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 09:47:00 PM »

TO ASSAF  and to DICK,

To both of you thank you for your help.

FYI,  Assaf so that you are aware I would like to mention that this unit my son purchased for me
brand new from the retailer did not come with a hard copy manual but a CD .
You say that the keys are explained on page 119 of the manual.

This CD contains 80 total but unnumbered pages. I printed out some 40 pages.
For some weird reason the functions are displayed OK on the 22" screen of a new
2010 computer system. But when printed, only occupy the right half of the page.
The keys are explained in 5 lined columns.
For example a sentence in column2 will print out 1-2 words across and 3" long.
Meanwhile column one may have only one word.
This means the 80 pages would print out as about 240 sheet or more !
Had I known I would have tried printing in landscape mode.
Frankly that is stupid. Every other printing job comes out perfectly.
Uniden should rethink this idea of not providing a hard printed copy.

To Dick I say thanks for taking the time to lay it out in plain language
with full explanations. Like you say Dick, I WILL have to take it nice and slow
and I will get the hang of it . It's nice to know you guys are ready to help
at  the drop of a hat.

again thank you both,
Sam
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